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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: The Ender on 08/06/2007 22:12:04
I had a online small Caldari control tower. It had a forcefield password, which was verified to be operational by myself. It had 3 online Mobile labs that I was using to research BPOs.
The POS came under attack...
 2007.06.02 10:59
Attacked object: Caldari Control Tower Small
Current Shield Level: 99%
Current Armor Integrity: 100%
Current Hull Integrity: 100%
I decided to go along and offline the 3 mobile labs and take them away before the POS went into reinforced as I would be unable to defend the POS. I was on my way until I got this in my inbox...
2007.06.02 13:19
Alliance: NONE
Corp: ***
Destroyed: Mobile Laboratory
Moon: *** VI - Moon 6
System: ***
Security: 0.3
then this...
2007.06.02 13:19
Alliance: NONE
Corp: ***
Destroyed: Mobile Laboratory
Moon: *** VI - Moon 6
System: ***
Security: 0.3
then this...
2007.06.02 13:20
Alliance: NONE
Corp: ***
Destroyed: Mobile Laboratory
Moon: *** VI - Moon 6
System: ***
Security: 0.3
Shortly after receiving these I get this...
2007.06.02 14:03
Attacked object: Caldari Control Tower Small
Current Shield Level: 68%
Current Armor Integrity: 100%
Current Hull Integrity: 100%
So obviously the tower was online and operational, but they still managed to kill the labs inside.
I petitioned the loss of the labs, however according to the GMs there was no circumvention of game mechanics nor the usage of any exploit.
Any one know how this happened?
And just an FYI to you all. There is a way to kill structures inside a POS field that has a password on.
Regards,
The Ender
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: The Ender on 08/06/2007 22:17:12
 Originally by: Alora Venoda
smartbombs?
Sorry, maybe should have contained the whole killmail...
2007.06.02 13:19
Alliance: NONE
Corp: ***
Destroyed: Mobile Laboratory
Moon: *** VI - Moon 6
System: ***
Security: 0.3
Involved parties:
Name: *** (laid the final blow)
Security: ***
Alliance: NONE
Corp: ***
Ship: Armageddon
Weapon: Tachyon Beam Laser II
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Astasia Orian
Structures outside shield radius?
But then you can't anchor the structure.
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: PartyVaN
just wondering - why did you not fit any guns? Or did you?
3 labs on a small POS don't leave much CPU. I knew the risks, and was prepared to take them. I can afford the loss after all, but am not prepared to take a loss that is unexplainable and appear to be an exploit
Obviously the GMs know how it was achieved and they deem it to be within the game mechanics and not an exploit.
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Was the password easily guessable? Did it contain a mix of random letters and numbers, or was it a single short word?
9 letters, inlcuding a single number.
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Alt
Escalate the petition to a senior GM
I have done so.
I just posted here to see if it was known to anyone already, save wasting unnecessary GM time.
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:34:00 -
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Thanks to you all.
It does seem there is a legitimate case, just wanted to be sure.
If someone told me that they knew how it was done I was gonna close the petition.
Will keep it open for now.
Thanks,
The Ender
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.09 22:28:00 -
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I have just read all the interest gathered here. I am yet to log on to see if the Senior GM has replied but at this point I will state that the POS forcefield was up, the tower had been refueled the night before for a full 8 days worth.
The tower went into reinforced with 12 hours worth of Stront in it and at this point the labs were destroyed. I also double checked to see if the password was still in effect and indeed it was.
The labs were also anchored and online as they were in use at the time.
WIll post results...
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.09 22:30:00 -
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Senior GMs must be getting an awful lot of escalations as it's now over 24 hours without reply from them :(
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.09 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Acama Asante
Originally by: The Ender
Senior GMs must be getting an awful lot of escalations as it's now over 24 hours without reply from them :(
Quick question - was all the pos fuel for the 8 days in one stack? I've heard of POSes going through one stack and then the shield going down, without "realising" there is more there. This may have been fixed some time ago though.
To the best of my knowledge it was in a single stack. It didn't run out of fuel as the forcefield was still up and the tower went into reinforced. At this point when the attackers had retired I went to the tower to see if I could see anything awry, and the tower was indeed online at this time.
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.10 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Macs Nairegin
Originally by: scabbsssjr
Heres a quick idea.
When the shield is under attack it shrinks.
Total misunderstanding of POS mechanics ftw
Well me modules were near the edge of the shield but anchored within the defined distances from the control tower. This could be a plausible explanation if this is indeed the case.
However, it would also be another undocumented feature by CCP.
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.10 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 10/06/2007 16:11:11
I've seldomly seen a single thread with more bull**** being offered as truth in it.
Firstly, there never was a passive targeter exploit. I know, 'cause I was one of the guys supposedly using it to shoot some IMP guys inside a pos shield. That was due to lag/bugs, not due to passive targeters as I've yet to ever fit a passive targeter on any of my ships.
Secondly, no you can not under any normal circumstances target and destroy anything that is inside the forcefield of an online and passworded pos.
Thirdly, there is no way to lock anything while you are inside a forcefield. Not when in gang, fleet, corp, alliance or whatever with the owner, somebody that's inside or any iother random combination of states. None of that works. Warping into the tower at zero doesn't let you target anything either.
Fourthly, forcefields don't shrink.
And finally, yes, if your tower was offline for some reason that would explain things. Is it perhaps a possibility that someone else inside your corp offlined the tower and onlined it again later ? Wouldn't know why someone would do that, but it is a possible explanation. Either way, those labs were either bugged, outside the forcefield, or there was no forcefield up.
The corp consisted of 5 members, all my alts. There is no other RL person in my corp.
Yes I know I am a sad lonely person :P
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.20 14:15:00 -
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Just an update for you all.
Had no PC Security problems at all. Still got all my isk and stuff :P
However, I still have no reply from a Senior GM.
Comparable to my friends petition of a lost ship due to lag, that got resolved in 24 hours by a regular GM, we now have queues in excess of 2 weeks for Senior GMs.
BRING BACK GM ARKANON! :D
2 weeks lost research time :(
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